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i need some advice.

i'm thinking about getting an advanced degree...i mean, hell, if i can get work to pay for all of it, why not?

who thinks i'd be better off getting an MBA in tech management (ala this PDF from u. phoenix) or an MS in CIS (PDF)?

i figure the MBA/TM would get me some clout (frankly, i already have the skills) and would help avoid age discrimination because it would give me some place to go after i'm 30 and done being a developer. on the other hand, the MS/CIS would tell people i'm for real about the process of creating software and app. solutions.

though i think that's kinda crap, because programming skills are a major factor in that last bit...a CIS degree isn't going to help you there...that's why i'm kinda leaning towards the MBA. but, being a developer, i kind of have an institutionalized distaste for them.

so...anybody have any thoughts?
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qed From: qed Date: June 17th, 2003 07:27 am (UTC) (Link)
MBA, no doubt. I can't believe that a master's in CIS is that useful. Application programming is mostly a matter of experience anyway... I can't believe an advanced degree is that useful. The MBA gives you the credentials for a transition to management, which is probably what you want eventually. Plus, if you ever decide to do something other than programming, the MBA will be much more helpful.

If you're looking to get an advanced technical degree, I would consider some type of engineering or scientific discipline rather than CIS. The only types of technical jobs I can think of that really require a master's degree are R&D or low-level electrical work (ASIC design, shit like that). Besides, I have to believe you'd enjoy advanced science/engineering courses more than "Really, Really Advanced Databases 501".
swolfe From: swolfe Date: June 17th, 2003 08:01 am (UTC) (Link)
i concur...

but what about law school? :)
taumeson From: taumeson Date: June 17th, 2003 10:18 am (UTC) (Link)
evie and all that.

no WAY i could put in the time necessary. i'm definately going to have to attend classes online.

and just seeing the crap that liz has to do has...dissuaded me.
qed From: qed Date: June 17th, 2003 10:58 am (UTC) (Link)
Sharonne's paying $30,000/yr at Syracuse, and that's one of the more reasonably-priced schools.
chaos4675 From: chaos4675 Date: June 17th, 2003 08:03 am (UTC) (Link)
I was kind of thinking about the same thing. I would go with the MBA, for most of the reasons Vince said. Really technical jobs are going to look at skills and experience. It's only management jobs and other BS jobs that like those degrees.
christy_p From: christy_p Date: June 17th, 2003 08:07 am (UTC) (Link)

Have you talked with the U of P people? It's quite a bit more expensive than a regular "live" school, but it's worth it especially if work will pay for it. The other thing that I found out is that it's not self paced...and there are group projects and shit that you have to work out online meeting times with your "classmates." if you can work within those schedules go for it!
taumeson From: taumeson Date: June 17th, 2003 10:23 am (UTC) (Link)
well, it is about twice as expensive as the school i went to undergrad...rowan university is 4,517.20 a semester....four semesters equals: 18068.80. u of p is about that every year.

there are very few times you have to meet with your project group. only towards the end of the class when the group project is due do you usually have to realtime collaborate. otherwise it's just email and BBS.

the good thing is that i should be able to get work to pay for a LITTLE, at least. if i can convince them it's good for them, they'll probably pay for most. if not, well, i'll get them to put in a grand or two. otherwise, i'll get the graduate student stafford loan, which more than pays for the tuition. it sucks, yes, but it could be extremely worth it.
christy_p From: christy_p Date: June 17th, 2003 11:49 am (UTC) (Link)
I've been considering this option too, but with about 1.5 years (or is it 2, now) to go, that's a lot of money on loan. It's stressing me out b/c I can't see how I could get out from under that amount of debt. At the same time, How will I get anywhere without the degree? It's a big stressor!
taumeson From: taumeson Date: June 17th, 2003 11:55 am (UTC) (Link)
well, i'm already 15k in the hole for undergraduate loans, anyway. the difference between 36k and 51k is a bit paler than the difference between 0k and 36k :)

at least with law school i knew that, well, i'd be 75k in the hole, but at least i'd be making 3k a week....with an MBA, there's no such guarantee :)

christy_p From: christy_p Date: June 17th, 2003 12:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
law. you'd do great at that.
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taumeson From: taumeson Date: June 17th, 2003 01:28 pm (UTC) (Link)
This is a very good idea.

Unfortunately, I have. They pretty much don't exist. I've checked out USF,UF and UPenn, for instance, and they don't offer online MBAs.

UF is an idea, though...because I have a business degree, I could enter their intensive 11-month MBA program, but that kinda brings with it its own challenges...though I'd love an excuse to move to Gainesville, I'd pretty much not be able to work. As far as I can tell, that's not an option. :P

USF seems viable, because it has a saturdays-only option...but I'd have to give some real though about what would be better...an MBA from USF after 3 years, or an MBA from UPhoenix after 2.
area_man From: area_man Date: June 17th, 2003 11:57 am (UTC) (Link)
MBA...heh...GMAT, have fun.
swolfe From: swolfe Date: June 17th, 2003 12:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
mmm...standardized tests...
taumeson From: taumeson Date: June 17th, 2003 01:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
i'd have to agree. i always get like, 92% or above on standardized tests. on the lsat, that qualified me for MENSA. :P
swolfe From: swolfe Date: June 17th, 2003 01:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
i think i saw somethign in my most recent mensa bulletin that said something about no longer using the LSAT for qualification since it no longer normed to their standards.

hmm...or was that the GRE? shrug
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