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battle royale questions - don't let the bastards grind you down.
taumeson
taumeson
battle royale questions
my "director's cut" was only half subtitled, so i'm left with holes in my knowledge.

1. how did they defuse the bombs around their necks?

2. why were they watned for murder? was it because they escaped, or because all BR winners are wangted for murder? or because they killed the teacher?

3. what was the transfer student's stories? i know one volunteered, but what was the other one's story?

i had more, but my browser fucked up and i lost my post.

now for some observations.

the music ROCKED
mitsuko ROCKED

ah, one of my questions was "who was the girl smiling from the beginning of the movie?" but she was the first battle royale movie. i know this because she's also in BR II.

also, beat takeshi is in BR II. interesting. i'll have to see it.
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ferricide From: ferricide Date: August 6th, 2003 11:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
1. how did they defuse the bombs around their necks?

it's not directly answered. kitano says "you hacked in and stole that data?" to kawada at the end. it's more implicit than anything.

2. why were they watned for murder?

i always assumed it was simply because they survived, and the government wasn't happy. of course, i don't necessarily trust the translation of that screen 100%, either.

3. what was the transfer student's stories?

now, that's pretty involved.

were you watching some sort of crappy bootleg DVD or a DivX or something? you can order a legit, region-free NTSC DVD from amazon.co.uk, you know. and if you can play PAL, you can get the two disc special edition, complete with tin.

i have the SE and i also have a (legit) R3 of the regular cut. together they do me just fine.

"who was the girl smiling from the beginning of the movie?" but she was the first battle royale movie.

i think you meant "survivor." she was the survivor of the previous year's game, and not really a character in the film as such. it wasn't the "first" BR either, AFAIK.

also, beat takeshi is in BR II.

that's odd.
taumeson From: taumeson Date: August 7th, 2003 06:07 am (UTC) (Link)
thanks.

no, i've got the R0 double DVD, but i guess it's just the way powerDVD handles the subtitles or something...they don't all come up! weird.

yeah, i meant survivor :) i had retyped it, so it was hasty. i don't usually typo in my posts either.

you didn't answer #3!!!
ferricide From: ferricide Date: August 7th, 2003 02:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
yeah, i didn't answer 3. it's involved!

kiriyama joined for fun.

kawada was kidnapped and dumped into the game to fix the results at kitano's behest. he had been a survive 2 years (i think) previously, which had been narrowed down to him and his girlfriend keiko. at the very end even after surviving together against all odds, they turned on one another. keiko attacked and he counterattacked, and ended up killing her. but she died with a smile on her face and the words 'thank you'... he wanted to figure out the meaning of her smile and her last words. the narration on the boat at the end as he lay dying is his realization that "in the end, i'm glad i found true friends."
citizengwen From: citizengwen Date: August 7th, 2003 06:25 am (UTC) (Link)
1. how did they defuse the bombs around their necks?
in the book, you learn that kawada has been fighting the system ever since he played the game the first time. so he studied everything. when he was picked next time around, he new how to disable the necklaces. apparantly they weren't very high tech.

3. what was the transfer student's stories? i know one volunteered, but what was the other one's story?
book again: i can't remember if kawada was picked for the second time or if he volunteered. but in the book, kiriyama isn't a transfer student. well he is...but that gang that takes him on by the ocean are actually all his friends. it is great to read his story from the perspective that he does have a group of friends and see who he handles them all.

but anyway, supposedly the movie says kiriyama volunteeers and kawada is picked again because he is a reigning survivor and they like to tip the scales a little.

i REALLY suggest reading the novel. you learn so much more about the characters and why they act the way they do. brilliant.
ferricide From: ferricide Date: August 7th, 2003 02:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
the book is pretty different, and i think what i read of it, pretty bad.

i read about 200 pages. i gave up on it at that point due to boredom. the writing is weak and obvious, and the translation is sloppy.

the movie is much tighter, better characterized, and less exploitave and trite.

yeah, i didn't like what i read of the book very much.
citizengwen From: citizengwen Date: August 7th, 2003 02:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
i disagree...almost completely. translation was sloppy at times. but i wasn't bored at all. read it in a day or two. the characterization is much better. i mean you really learn the movitivations of everyone. why is mitsuko so vicious? why are those girls so stupid to call for peace? i thought it was excellent. i mean, even subtitles can be sloppy sometimes. i think the movie did an ok job trying to adapt..i mean, you can't learn about everyone. but if you are really into it, than you do want to learn the motiviations. the idea of "would you kill your best friend?" is a great concept but the movie doesn't have time to delve into the psychology of it all. thank god books don't have socially demanded time constraints.
ferricide From: ferricide Date: August 7th, 2003 06:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
well, i didn't read the book in its entirety, but i thought it was extremely sloppily written. it's not interesting to learn characters' motivations when they just blanket tell you straight out in direct language. it's most boring, least advanced sort of fiction writing IMO.

the movie's characterization that showed you sneak peeks into character motivation was *so* much better handled.

in the movie, they show mitsuko crying to throw hirono off guard and then recovering instantly so you realize she was completely faking it. in the book it's like "mitsuko started crying. her special talent is being able to cry whenever she wants." like LITERALLY. that's godawful writing, IMO.
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